Determinism is the last red pill to swallow.

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Life is a series of events set in motion by the law of cause and effect.

It all starts with the sperm cells racing toward an egg to fertilize. It could have been Jake, Jimmy, Daniel, Harry, Richard or anyone, but it was you. You were spawned into existence by the laws of cause and effect. Whoops.

Ok so now you're a child (unaware of your own existence until a couple of years old). Your awful physical and behavioral characteristics begin to mature and your social positioning is quickly established, all of which is out of your control (even society recognizes this and absolves children of most wrong-doings).

Now you're 16 and beginning to gain autonomy of your life. You try to get girls but fail (completely out of your control, and the girls' control for that matter). You form philosophies you sincerely believe to be correct, but they were not made in a vacuum. You did not choose to arrive at those conclusions by means of a decision (whatever the hell a decision is), but instead played with thoughts in your head (you didn't choose to want to think those thoughts by the way - it was out of your control) and your brain made a subjective interpretation. But everyone does this and comes to different conclusions, so how can it be a choice? They would have come to the same conclusion if their brain experienced the same processes yours did.

Now you're an adult and you're reading this. Your life sucks and as a result you're on this website. You never wanted this lifestyle. None of it was your choice and it never will be.

Tomorrow you might get run over and die, and it wouldn't be your choice. Tomorrow you might meet a girl with fucked up attraction switches who's attracted to your recessed chin, and that wouldn't be your choice either.



100% legit.

But this also free you up in some way.... you cant regret anything I you were determined to do it.

You cant really think of yourself as a failure if you had no other options to become another person.

Determinism + hedonism + nihilism is the way to go.
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i already told that my future was predicted 5 years ago and since then every fucking prediction became real. im glad i will die at 23 actually because no matter who hard i try, i cant escape my fate. this aint trolling btw.
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if you're actually determinist, you will no longer believe in minds or free will.

it's the most coldest, most efficient, and logically consistent philosophy ever if you completely buy into it.
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Life is cruel, but the really sick part about it all is that we're aware of it. Humans have it even worse since we're self-reflective. It's a story of mostly suffering that you must experience in first person, although science and technology is doing a fantastic job of improving peoples' quality of life.

SupportLocalSluts wrote:if you're actually determinist, you will no longer believe in minds or free will.

it's the most coldest, most efficient, and logically consistent philosophy ever if you completely buy into it.


lol there is no free will.

determinism is the best philosophy, but to believe in it, you would have to give up a lot of blue pilled ideas and emotions society needs to function.
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SupportLocalSluts wrote:if you're actually determinist, you will no longer believe in minds or free will.

it's the most coldest, most efficient, and logically consistent philosophy ever if you completely buy into it.


yes but it's the truth. free will is an illusion.



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give me some philosphers that argued against free will and for determinism and some scientific studies that back you up

LMSghost wrote:give me some philosphers that argued against free will and for determinism and some scientific studies that back you up

just search it.. there are studies that show that your brain already made the decission before you consciousness becomes aware of it.

also free will would break the basic physical laws which make all other things work... would be kinda strange that for our mind there is some exception

LMSghost wrote:give me some philosphers that argued against free will and for determinism and some scientific studies that back you up


I've not yet met a philosopher in the real world who isn't a determinist. It's almost an unavoidable conclusion.

Some cite the random nature of quantum mechanics as proof the universe isn't entirely a product of cause and effect, but even that doesn't set out a case for free will; just randomness.

The science is there. EscortAddict mentioned the famous one which obliterates the concept of free will.

I'm happy the user TedBundy inadvertently reminded me of the interview with Ted Bundy explaining his actions and what compelled him to perform them. It sheds some light on this topic of determinism. I'm too lazy to link though.

EscortAddict wrote:
LMSghost wrote:give me some philosphers that argued against free will and for determinism and some scientific studies that back you up

just search it.. there are studies that show that your brain already made the decission before you consciousness becomes aware of it.

also free will would break the basic physical laws which make all other things work... would be kinda strange that for our mind there is some exception


choice only exists when there's two equally welcoming or equally bad choices.

Like when you are in a room, you can choose to raise your arm or lower your arm. That's "free will"

But put you in a position where raising your arm will mean your arm gets cut off, and then there's no "free will".

How do I know you exist? How do I know I am the only entity having experiences and this isn't a solipsistic reality?

StongCheekbonesBrah wrote:LOL @ this thread. Strong pseudointellectuals.

Like Stephen hawking said,

"philosophy is dead"

Its a complete waste of time. Stop worrying about the most pointless shit in exsistence. You have free will do what you want. Determinism was made to keep the weak in line by telling them nothing matters just get through life. And the weak listened and turned their brains to zombie mode and pay taxes, work 8 hours a day, fight wars for alpha leaders, and support cheating women. Some used it to justify killing and other crimes. Its such bullshit. Think for yourself. You are the only one to blame for your actions.

Like almost all scientists agree philosohy is a waste of time and effort. Why dont you high E beta kunts contribute to humanity instead indulging in your own neurosis.

I find it funny that most people that waste time with philosophy are introverted low ambition high social inhibition incels. Talk about a coping mechanism!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


I read your post with an open mind and I still disagree. Our brain processes are different. You're sort of proving my point.

SupportLocalSluts wrote:if you're actually determinist, you will no longer believe in minds or free will.

it's the most coldest, most efficient, and logically consistent philosophy ever if you completely buy into it.


I am a complete determinist. Free will doesn't exists. You don't choose anything in your life. I'm not choosing what I'm writing right now, it's just the succession of every events (like someone moving a grain of sand 70000 years ago) since the creation of the universe that brings me writing that shitty post.
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Faceless Void wrote:
EscortAddict wrote:just search it.. there are studies that show that your brain already made the decission before you consciousness becomes aware of it.

also free will would break the basic physical laws which make all other things work... would be kinda strange that for our mind there is some exception


choice only exists when there's two equally welcoming or equally bad choices.

Like when you are in a room, you can choose to raise your arm or lower your arm. That's "free will"


No that's not free will. You don't choose that neither, events in your life, and before your birth and events that affects other people and nature and everything brings your to choose what you will do with your arm.

At the very least I think one's ability to change his circumstances and future is very limited, unpredictable. and largely out of their control.

While I tend to believe at various points in life a person is free to make a choice or follow one path vs another, there is such imperfect information and uncertainty and so much that is influenced by others that a person has little real self determination. I often think if I had precognition and perfect information to know before if I did ABC instead of XYZ how different my life might have turned out. Had I went through with joining Army or Airforce out of High school and gotten away from a somewhat troubled family situation, moved to a different city many years back, picked a different college major etc, my life could have turned out far differently.

rejectionartist wrote:At the very least I think one's ability to change his circumstances and future is very limited, unpredictable. and largely out of their control.

While I tend to believe at various points in life a person is free to make a choice or follow one path vs another, there is such imperfect information and uncertainty and so much that is influenced by others that a person has little real self determination. I often think if I had precognition and perfect information to know before if I did ABC instead of XYZ how different my life might have turned out. Had I went through with joining Army or Airforce out of High school and gotten away from a somewhat troubled family situation, moved to a different city many years back, picked a different college major etc, my life could have turned out far differently.



Your ability to make these choices depends on your mentality/how easily swayed you are/etc at the time, which depends on how you were raised/the experiences you've had to that point. The people who could influence your decision also are the product of their past, at that moment. So at that moment, looking back, it's kind of obvious what was going to happen, in hindsight of course. At the time it probably felt like you could have done one thing or the other, but looking back, you hadn't really got a choice, you were always going to do the thing you did, due to your mentality at that time vs the mentality of the people around you who also had input on your decision, and so on.

LMSghost wrote:
rejectionartist wrote:At the very least I think one's ability to change his circumstances and future is very limited, unpredictable. and largely out of their control.

While I tend to believe at various points in life a person is free to make a choice or follow one path vs another, there is such imperfect information and uncertainty and so much that is influenced by others that a person has little real self determination. I often think if I had precognition and perfect information to know before if I did ABC instead of XYZ how different my life might have turned out. Had I went through with joining Army or Airforce out of High school and gotten away from a somewhat troubled family situation, moved to a different city many years back, picked a different college major etc, my life could have turned out far differently.



Your ability to make these choices depends on your mentality/how easily swayed you are/etc at the time, which depends on how you were raised/the experiences you've had to that point. The people who could influence your decision also are the product of their past, at that moment. So at that moment, looking back, it's kind of obvious what was going to happen, in hindsight of course. At the time it probably felt like you could have done one thing or the other, but looking back, you hadn't really got a choice, you were always going to do the thing you did, due to your mentality at that time vs the mentality of the people around you who also had input on your decision, and so on.


I think there is a lot of truth to that, but I really mulled over some of those choices and came very close to making a different decision than I did. Whether it was actually possible for me to have decided a different choice, that's probably unknowable too. I certainly realized at the time even then that they were important far reaching decisions, and spent a lot of time debating which way to go as I certainly had reservation about taking the choices that I did "decide" take. If only I had better information and knew how unsuccessful those choices I made would turn out, I certainly would've chose a different choice.

I do think, putting freewill aside, no matter what I did or do, other people and outside factors outside of my control would always be the most decisive factor in the outcome of anything I try to do. So even if a person does have at least some level of control over their decisions, they really have no control over the outcome.

Legit.

It's very easy to prove. Does anyone really believe we choose our thoughts? They just pop in. We can't choose them. To do that we'd have to think them before thinking them. It's nonsense. Thoughts just pop in.

If we don't choose our thoughts, it follows that we don't choose our actions. The end. Free will doesn't exist.

Jigar wrote:Legit.

It's very easy to prove. Does anyone really believe we choose our thoughts? They just pop in. We can't choose them. To do that we'd have to think them before thinking them. It's nonsense. Thoughts just pop in.

If we don't choose our thoughts, it follows that we don't choose our actions. The end. Free will doesn't exist.


Nicely put. It really is the ultimate pill to swallow. It fully demonstrates the futility of the world. It gets rid of all 'ifs' and 'buts' - things are the way they are because they couldn't be any other way.

kingkongb wrote:Life is really just like a film you watch (and feel).
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so legit. Also, gentetics code more than just your body, they basically code your entire life. Basically no one here would be posting on this site if it wasn't for their shitty genetics.
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StongCheekbonesBrah wrote:LOL @ this thread. Strong pseudointellectuals.

Like Stephen hawking said,

"philosophy is dead"

Its a complete waste of time. Stop worrying about the most pointless shit in exsistence. You have free will do what you want. Determinism was made to keep the weak in line by telling them nothing matters just get through life. And the weak listened and turned their brains to zombie mode and pay taxes, work 8 hours a day, fight wars for alpha leaders, and support cheating women. Some used it to justify killing and other crimes. Its such bullshit. Think for yourself. You are the only one to blame for your actions.

Like almost all scientists agree philosohy is a waste of time and effort. Why dont you high E beta kunts contribute to humanity instead indulging in your own neurosis.

I find it funny that most people that waste time with philosophy are introverted low ambition high social inhibition incels. Talk about a coping mechanism!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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StongCheekbonesBrah wrote:LOL @ this thread. Strong pseudointellectuals.

Like Stephen hawking said,

"philosophy is dead"

Its a complete waste of time. Stop worrying about the most pointless shit in exsistence. You have free will do what you want. Determinism was made to keep the weak in line by telling them nothing matters just get through life. And the weak listened and turned their brains to zombie mode and pay taxes, work 8 hours a day, fight wars for alpha leaders, and support cheating women. Some used it to justify killing and other crimes. Its such bullshit. Think for yourself. You are the only one to blame for your actions.

Like almost all scientists agree philosohy is a waste of time and effort. Why dont you high E beta kunts contribute to humanity instead indulging in your own neurosis.

I find it funny that most people that waste time with philosophy are introverted low ambition high social inhibition incels. Talk about a coping mechanism!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:



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I don't see why would it matter believing in free will or determinism, it just looks like another coping mechanism for western lazy sad retards unable to project their will to do in the world.

Faceless Void wrote:
EscortAddict wrote:just search it.. there are studies that show that your brain already made the decission before you consciousness becomes aware of it.

also free will would break the basic physical laws which make all other things work... would be kinda strange that for our mind there is some exception


choice only exists when there's two equally welcoming or equally bad choices.

Like when you are in a room, you can choose to raise your arm or lower your arm. That's "free will"

But put you in a position where raising your arm will mean your arm gets cut off, and then there's no "free will".


yeah but which choices you have is not a free decision.

someone who has approach anxiety for example doesnt have the choice to approach, while an extroverted slayer can either approach or not. but it's not free for him either, there is a specific combinatin of triggers that will make him approach or not
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