If you don't instinctively know what to say

Share your experiences with the opposite sex. Suggest ways to improve your success. Analyze the behavior of females in real life and online. Rant and rave about females. Show the importance of looks pertaining to attracting females and other social situations. Discuss aesthetics and the science of attractiveness. Exchange health, nutrition and looksmaxing tips.

To drive and enhance conversation, quell awkward moments, and say things that she will think about later, it's over.

What basement dwelling aspies don't realize is that an emotional connection is needed no matter what looks level you have. That's why having an 8 face is so interesting to us, because it's a cheat code. The rest of us need interesting hobbies, a heavily used passport, work we enjoy, and 1 or 2 things we are truly passionate about. We never developed our personalities and gained perspective on anything but shit posting and porn. In closing, no amount of surgeries will help you in the end if you have a shit personality because you' be conditioned yourself to be depressed.

Shit personality = uncurable sexual cancer
Eww face?
Know your place.
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Bas Rutten wrote:
It's actually easier to rationalize that inceldom is due to your face rather than being a boring zero life lunatic with absolutely nothing to offer in life.


This.

There is no other plausible explanation for the amount of average looking guys who post here.

I would say less than 10% of active posters have a real case of Aspergers or legit facial deformity.

Bull fucking shit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Put it this way: a woman has to be able to sell you to her friends. He was really hot, he's a promoter at club "hot sex", he drives a ferrari. LMS. That's it



doinroids wrote:Bull fucking shit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Put it this way: a woman has to be able to sell you to her friends. He was really hot, he's a promoter at club "hot sex", he drives a ferrari. LMS. That's it

this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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doinroids wrote:Bull fucking shit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Put it this way: a woman has to be able to sell you to her friends. He was really hot, he's a promoter at club "hot sex", he drives a ferrari. LMS. That's it


StongCheekbonesBrah wrote:AGREED 100% women will give an average joe a chance if he can liven up her life/entertain her. Plus being a great conversationalist has many other great advantages especially when looking for a job or trying to bend the rules. Its often overlooked in todays aesthetics based world but its just as important as looks imo.



Reality lies somewhere in between these two

lanklet wrote:
doinroids wrote:Bull fucking shit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Put it this way: a woman has to be able to sell you to her friends. He was really hot, he's a promoter at club "hot sex", he drives a ferrari. LMS. That's it


StongCheekbonesBrah wrote:AGREED 100% women will give an average joe a chance if he can liven up her life/entertain her. Plus being a great conversationalist has many other great advantages especially when looking for a job or trying to bend the rules. Its often overlooked in todays aesthetics based world but its just as important as looks imo.



Reality lies somewhere in between these two


This.
LMS is important. But having a presence and being able to read and connect with someone is critical too.

OP - if I am being honest, not knowing how to converse with cunts in my youth was a major contribution to my inceldom. Although I did do a lot in the way of socialising between 19-24, and made quite an effort, discussion was always difficult with women. So I do agree in part with your statements.

However, to get conversation going with cunts, you need to pander to them. You need to validate them and put them on a pedestal - especially if you are not outstandingly good-looking. It's all about jumping through hoops and going through the motions. This is where I had the problem. I only realise this now, but back then - during my only window of opportunity - I didn't handle things the way I should have.

Norwood Cemetery wrote:OP - if I am being honest, not knowing how to converse with cunts in my youth was a major contribution to my inceldom. Although I did do a lot in the way of socialising between 19-24, and made quite an effort, discussion was always difficult with women. So I do agree in part with your statements.

However, to get conversation going with cunts, you need to pander to them. You need to validate them and put them on a pedestal - especially if you are not outstandingly good-looking. It's all about jumping through hoops and going through the motions. This is where I had the problem. I only realise this now, but back then - during my only window of opportunity - I didn't handle things the way I should have.


If those were the only terms available then I don't blame you.
Where I live pandering to them is liable to make them suspicious and guarded.

doinroids wrote:Bull fucking shit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Put it this way: a woman has to be able to sell you to her friends. He was really hot, he's a promoter at club "hot sex", he drives a ferrari. LMS. That's it


Exactly! None of the three girlfriends I had for a few months introduced me to her friends. Not a single time. Only my first girlfriend introduced me to her ugly orbiter friend. One time we accidentally met her good-looking friends and as a result they told her we don't fit together and indirectly suggested we should break up.

And it's not only women. All of the friends I've ever had made absolutely sure I wasn't present when they met with their high LMS acquaintances so my "friends" wouldn't be asked "Is this weirdo here with you?"
Whimminz reactions when I try to be more "confident":
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RodgerRabbit wrote:Because let's face it -- when it comes to sex, looks are the ONLY inherent attractive quality a person can have. It's the ONLY legit basis for sexual attraction. So that why I EXCLUSIVELY care about my physical appearance. I will actually go out of my way to diminish all my other "qualities" so I can be judged purely by my looks, because that's the only cause for REAL sex appeal. Everything else only gets you sex as a byproduct of what you have to offer, it's not true primal lust. It's all compensatory bullshit, fake, a scam. It's literally the girl fucking you as a favor opposed to actually physically wanting to. And that to me is the biggest insult possible, to get sex IN SPITE of your looks.


Biggest condensed Red Pill I've ever seen. So true.

justinboober wrote:That's why having an 8 face is so interesting to us, because it's a cheat code.


I kinda knew that already though, in order for me to attract a girl I would need that because I'll never become socially apt enough to master all the complicated interactions and conversations.

StongCheekbonesBrah wrote:AGREED 100% women will give an average joe a chance if he can liven up her life/entertain her.


No no and no

If you don't impress her with your looks it's OVER no matter what

She must feel at least a bit of physical attraction towards you

Some high as fuck inhibiton betas detected in here.

@ Dze - call it what you will, you're still going to have to open your mouth at some point after you cycle off your accutane pills.

@ Norwood - your assumption that pandering is needed to engage in conversation shows your true beta. If a cunt says something out of line or dumb, you should say exactly what is on your mind. Not any different as you would on this very board.

@ RodgerRabbit - why short change yourself? You think ugly athletes/celebs/drug dealers care about why bitches spread their legs for them every night? Who cares why a girl might want to fuck you in the moment? Even once is better than never.

I think it was Jank that said behavior is far more important than "personality"; my experiences lead me to agree with this. I am really the same person regardless of whomever I talk to. However, my behaviors can change drastically. Around my two old friends, I am a normal person. I can engage in banter, make them laugh, talk for hours, etc. Around strangers and girls, I am very shy and withdrawn. I say as little as possible to avoid saying something stupid/making a faux pas.

Unfortunately, I don't know of an easy way to overcome this discomfort/fear without drugs.
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Aames wrote:I think it was Jank that said behavior is far more important than "personality"; my experiences lead me to agree with this. I am really the same person regardless of whomever I talk to. However, my behaviors can change drastically. Around my two old friends, I am a normal person. I can engage in banter, make them laugh, talk for hours, etc. Around strangers and girls, I am very shy and withdrawn. I say as little as possible to avoid saying something stupid/making a faux pas.

Unfortunately, I don't know of an easy way to overcome this discomfort/fear without drugs.


drugs ain't gonna help you, bud. they aren't going to teach you the behaviors you probably don't know or the cues you aren't seeing yet.

the only way you overcome discomfort is through gradual repeated exposure. you need to be somewhat sober (note that i said somewhat :lol: :lol:).
Two or three surgeries away from being Ja Rule gang.

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RodgerRabbit wrote:I agree, and that's exactly why I'm incel and will stay incel. Not in the sense that I don't have social skills, but in the sense that incels have to work hard as fuck to compensate and get laid. That's not something I'm ever gonna do. :mrgreen:

Because let's face it -- when it comes to sex, looks are the ONLY inherent attractive quality a person can have. It's the ONLY legit basis for sexual attraction. So that why I EXCLUSIVELY care about my physical appearance. I will actually go out of my way to diminish all my other "qualities" so I can be judged purely by my looks, because that's the only cause for REAL sex appeal. Everything else only gets you sex as a byproduct of what you have to offer, it's not true primal lust. It's all compensatory bullshit, fake, a scam. It's literally the girl fucking you as a favor opposed to actually physically wanting to. And that to me is the biggest insult possible, to get sex IN SPITE of your looks.

So even if I was rich or high status, I would never ever fuck the bitches who are attracted to that. Nor would I want anything to do with girls who like me "for who I am". FUCK THAT GAY ASS SHIT. Those Tinder MM experiments proof my point exactly. Look good or die.

Unless by divine intervention I become an 8+, I will legit abstain for life just out of spite for being born ugly. :x


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justinboober wrote:@ Norwood - your assumption that pandering is needed to engage in conversation shows your true beta. If a cunt says something out of line or dumb, you should say exactly what is on your mind. Not any different as you would on this very board.

Holy shit - hark at Don Juan here... clearly knows his way around the social scene - not.

Let's be clear - a man isn't great looking, doesn't have any outstanding attributes, and wants to engage his looksmatch in conversation. Already truly up against it due to hypergamous notions harboured by the cunt, you seriously advocate the man 'speaking his mind' and calling out her vacuousness, superficiality and general cuntitude out to her face??? Perhaps an option for the DOM slayer, but is that really going to work for an average schmuck?

And if you had actually read my post, you will see that the 'pandering' to cunts is something I had a problem with, i.e. I could never do it. I tried being blunt, being direct and not suffering female shitcuntery; but the women in question simply shrugged their shoulders, turned away and focused on the army of willing betas; such is their bountiful supply of options.

JustinBoober = confirmed basement-tier, zero-experience faggot.

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