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delugar wrote:
Humiliated Sensei wrote:
it blocks it but it blocks AROMATIZED ESTROGEN (from TESTOSTERONE) FOR FUCKS SAKE
and it still floats in your body.

when you come off there is a possibility it will backfire because it blocks only the effect of estrogen.

you need ARIMIDEX to block the aromatization, so that the ESTROGEN will NEVER EVEN BE CREATED in your body.


Okay, so that is good to know. Thanks for sharing that. So I take one 250mg vial injection a week, and how long do I do this? 250mg is pretty low, many bodybuilders use a MUCH higher dose, so I think I'm safe.

Do I take Arimidex DURING this cycle or after it or what?


you would need around 750+ on blast/highest points of cycle for a good physique.

read on the net how much ng/dL which dosages whould give you

I think 150 gives like 500 ng/dl



One shot a week of the 250mg vial, and I can just do this continueously? No need to cycle on or off? And should I even bother taking any kind of estrogen blocker for such a low dose? And if so, which specific estrogen blocker chemical do you suggest, how often to take it, what dose, etc?

I found the following from a page about steroid use:

Usage of 250 mg/week usually amounts to nothing other than high-end testosterone replacement therapy. There is no guarantee that this usage will even cause testosterone levels to exceed the normal range. The dosing is high enough to cause the side effect of suppressed LH production, but in most cases is not high enough for any striking anabolic or fat-loss effects. Depending on individual sensitivity, this amount may be high enough to cause the side effects of gynecomastia if an aromatase inhibitor is not used, or may be enough to cause oily skin or acne. In a few instances, anabolic or fat loss benefits may be impressive, as there are individuals who are high responders. But this isn’t the usual outcome for this dosage level.

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/how- ... tanon-250/

Says it may not even be high enough to need the estrogen blocker chemical. But in case I need it, which chemical do you suggest, how much of a dose, how often to take it, etc?
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Humiliated Sensei wrote:
delugar wrote:
Okay, so that is good to know. Thanks for sharing that. So I take one 250mg vial injection a week, and how long do I do this? 250mg is pretty low, many bodybuilders use a MUCH higher dose, so I think I'm safe.

Do I take Arimidex DURING this cycle or after it or what?


you would need around 750+ on blast/highest points of cycle for a good physique.

read on the net how much ng/dL which dosages whould give you

I think 150 gives like 500 ng/dl


I'm not looking for such a high dose because I am not planning on using this for bodybuilding purposes.

One injection of 250mg a week is a very low dose so I think I'm safe. But still, is this meant to be taken as a cycle or permanently?

As for injection, WHERE do I inject it? One guy told me to inject it into the muscle, but I asked him WHICH muscle?



Humiliated Sensei wrote:you inject in thigh or buttock


any part of the thigh will do? I mean what happens if I accidentally hit a vein and inject it there instead? This is why I do not fucking like using needles but shit if this is the only way to get it done, fine. I just hope the retard doctors in this 3rd world country don't fuck me up.

Maybe I'll just stick to turmeric, garlic, onions, ginger, and green chilis for now. I'll search around at the pharmacies and if I can't find it, I'll just say fuck it. But actually it is probably available, the trick will be finding a doctor who at least knows how to inject a needle properly.

Come on dude, I just need an answer about the antiestrogen chemical. Do I take one pill a week or do I even need it at all since 250mg is such a small dose?



Anakind wrote:I did a Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) cycle a couple years ago. It will blow you up in no time. It accelerates nitrogen retention in your muscle. So if you eat a lot, you will put on lots of pounds.

Testosterone you have to look up the different esters. The longer they are the more stable your T-levels will be in your blood stream. The Sustanon 250 I posted above is pretty great stuff as it combines different esters.


How much did you keep from the danabol cycle???
danabol or dianabol same shit(it's danabol in my country)
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delugar wrote:Come on dude, I just need an answer about the antiestrogen chemical. Do I take one pill a week or do I even need it at all since 250mg is such a small dose?


They come in something like 10 milligram pills. I think I took 2 pills of it a day. You need to take it daily b/c it has a short half-life like any other orally taken compound. You have to do some research on the different anti-estrogens / estrogen-blockers. But that part is really not a difficult one.
Whimminz reactions when I try to be more "confident":
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youwdaddy wrote:Did you retain the positive effects after you got off the cycle?


Incelfury wrote:How much did you keep from the danabol cycle???
danabol or dianabol same shit(it's danabol in my country)


Most of it was gone after some time. I did Dianabol for 8 weeks (30 - 50 mg a day) followed by Winstrol for 4 weeks (50 mg a day). I didn't eat much on the whole cycle so that's probably why I didn't gain much weight. But the strength gains were incredible (relative) especially on Winstrol.

But the problem of a cycle is if you don't administer it professionally once you get off, you fall into a psychological hole. You loose motivation in everything since your natural hormone production is suppressed for some time. That's why I would always recommend doing a longer term hormone treatment rather than a short-term steroid cycle.

Dianabol is really just a bodybuilding compound anyway. It has many effects of testosterone but those of the later stage in the life of the testosterone molecule. So if you're looking for the psychological effects of testosterone (improved well-being, concentration and focus, determination, more dominant and aggressive behavior etc.), you have to get an actual testosterone compound. Dianabol won't do it.

delugar wrote:
Humiliated Sensei wrote:you inject in thigh or buttock


any part of the thigh will do? I mean what happens if I accidentally hit a vein and inject it there instead? This is why I do not fucking like using needles but shit if this is the only way to get it done, fine. I just hope the retard doctors in this 3rd world country don't fuck me up.

Maybe I'll just stick to turmeric, garlic, onions, ginger, and green chilis for now. I'll search around at the pharmacies and if I can't find it, I'll just say fuck it. But actually it is probably available, the trick will be finding a doctor who at least knows how to inject a needle properly.


You have to inject it into one of the big muscle groups (which are your thigh or hip muscles) so it spreads faster and more efficiently in your bloodstream. You inject into a spot and pull out some fluid. If you see blood in the needle, you hit a vein and you have take a different spot. If you don't, you're right and you can slowly pump in the compound. Any doctor will be able to do this for you.

notaslayer wrote:If you use TRT, don't you have to stick to it for life?


Not necessarily. But most people do it for life. If you inject testosterone, it's a replacement anyway. You don't add the hormone to your natural production. As soon as you inject a sufficient amount, your natural production shuts down completely on both TRT and huge bodybuilding cycles. So if you decide to get off treatment, you will have to do post-cycle therapy with HCG. The good thing about TRT is you don't have to do it all the time b/c you're on testosterone for years in the ideal case enjoying the positive effects while avoiding the ups and downs that you have from hopping on and off bodybuilding cycles.

pikachu wrote:
Anakind wrote:You have to inject it into one of the big muscle groups (which are your thigh or hip muscles) so it spreads faster and more efficiently in your bloodstream. You inject into a spot and pull out some fluid. If you see blood in the needle, you hit a vein and you have take a different spot. If you don't, you're right and you can slowly pump in the compound. Any doctor will be able to do this for you.


you can pay nurses to do it, you need like 2-3 injections per week or similar


Yeah, it depends on the compound. The shorter esters should be injected more frequently. A mixed compound like Sustanon 250 has a much more stable curve so every 5 days will do. Of course the injection of an oil-based like Sustanon 250 will hurt a bit but the stable T-levels are probably worth it. I hope when I go on TRT I can convince them to get me a prescription for that one.

Thanks for all the info Anakin, I'll check around in a couple of days and see if Sustanon 250 is available here, I believe it is.

Which anti-estrogen pill were you taking? ARIMIDEX or Nolvadex-D?

Like I said, I am not going to use this for bodybuilding purposes, one injection a week should be sufficient. I'm at least going to try it for 3 or 4 weeks and see what the effect is.

I just wish my father wasn't such a weak beta male and that I hadn't inherited such shit genetics from him. Then again it's very likely that my mother was a whore and got pumped and dumped by some alpha male and then just convinced my retard father that he is the biological father. Either way who knows, I am not going to ask them such a question.

delugar wrote:Which anti-estrogen pill were you taking? ARIMIDEX or Nolvadex-D?


I took Nolvadex (is there a difference to Nolvadex-D?). Arimidex is very expensive. You will have to see whether aromatization is even a huge problem in your case if it's just a TRT treatment. Most likely it's not. My dose of Dianabol that I took back then probably didn't even require Nolvadex but I took it anyway to be on the safe side and prevent gyno.

delugar wrote:Like I said, I am not going to use this for bodybuilding purposes, one injection a week should be sufficient. I'm at least going to try it for 3 or 4 weeks and see what the effect is.


You should probably take it at least 8 weeks. It usually requires somewhere around 4 weeks for the psychological effects of testosterone to become somewhat visible (improved well being, cognitive function, more dominant behavior, concentration and focus etc.).

delugar wrote:I just wish my father wasn't such a weak beta male and that I hadn't inherited such shit genetics from him. Then again it's very likely that my mother was a whore and got pumped and dumped by some alpha male and then just convinced my retard father that he is the biological father. Either way who knows, I am not going to ask them such a question.


Genetic recombination is complicated. My father is a high-T machine. And I ended up as a low-T Asperger framecel.

It's probably more behavioral than genetic. Never had any decent male role models, except for one alpha male self defense teacher who was a Desert Storm vet and a cop too. I guess that is the reason I've had the tendency to seek out strong male role models, because I never had one at home. I don't really look for male role models anymore because of the few that I've found, they tended to be extreme control freaks and I'm the kind of guy who has a very independent mindset.

Once you hit age 30, you're basically a full grown man and don't need male role models anymore.

This is one positive thing about feminism. It brings back social darwinism and allows women the freedom to choose to breed with only the strongest men. If the retarded betas would stop breeding and producing more betas, the world would be a better place. If only alphas impregnate the women, then the future generations will be much stronger.

delugar wrote:Once you hit age 30, you're basically a full grown man and don't need male role models anymore.


Actually life is pretty much over at 30. My life went straight downhill at around 25 assuming there has ever been a hill in my life. :lol:

Anakind wrote:
delugar wrote:Once you hit age 30, you're basically a full grown man and don't need male role models anymore.


Actually life is pretty much over at 30. My life went straight downhill at around 25 assuming there has ever been a hill in my life. :lol:


I just mean that the older we get, the more wise we get. Wisdom is more important than youthful exuberance. Wisdom allows us to GAME the system and learn how to manipulate women and people in general.

pikachu wrote:
Anakind wrote:
Actually life is pretty much over at 30. My life went straight downhill at around 25 assuming there has ever been a hill in my life. :lol:


the same for me

Same here - post-25 husk crew checking in.

One thing I always wondered about were supplementery creams with testosterone. I read Dwain Chambers' book a few years ago, and excluding the Balco supplements, he went on at length about a testosterone cream. Anyone have any experience with topological t-supplements?
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pikachu wrote:
delugar wrote:I just mean that the older we get, the more wise we get. Wisdom is more important than youthful exuberance. Wisdom allows us to GAME the system and learn how to manipulate women and people in general.


I learned a lot about life, but it still pales into comparison to the what a mentally sane, social, goodlooking, sexhaving teenager experiences from 16 to 22


The number of teenagers living that kind of life is like 10 percent or less. Now as a man who is over 30, we all have the wisdom required to know what we need in order to live like that.

1. Money
2. Good looks
3. Game or social skills

We can achieve all 3 of those. We can earn money. We can get surgery to improve our looks. We can learn game or better social skills.

I don't understand why you guys are saying life is over at 25. Your youth is over, yes. But then you gradually begin to mature into an adult MAN, starting around age 28.

I also got a lot of regrets and wish I had been much wiser earlier on, but this is just the way it is. Men do not begin to reach their full maturity until at least age 28, according to Schopenhauer. Now that we have wisdom, we at least have the intelligence to learn how to game bitches.

And anyway, if life is so hopeless as you claim it is, then why not just an hero?

No matter what anyone says, supplementing with supraphysiological doses of T is most likely going to shorten your lifespan considerably. There's a reason your body is not producing optimal amounts.

One of the most recent TRT-studies was cut short because old men on TRT kept dropping dead or getting heart attacks. That study was performed on 65+year old men with risk of heart disease though..

If you go on TRT you also have to monitor hemoglobin, hematocrit and blood pressure, quite a few guys experience issues in those departments
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pikachu wrote:
delugar wrote:We can achieve all 3 of those. We can earn money. We can get surgery to improve our looks. We can learn game or better social skills.


you can't turn back time, once you hit 30 and you can't troll clubs for sex and panhandle in the malls for phone numbers, people think you are a retard and reject you even if you look good or are normal

surgery can't influence you massively over a certain age and game is a crock of shit, it doesn't exist, you might call game when you are without emotional turmoil but that's what normal people call just be yourself and stop giving a fuck

you can't outslay your own fucking face

princess Diana left the british crown for a facematched arab millionaire

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well you can do what a lot of older white men do. Make a lot of money and then retire in Southeast Asia.

That seems to be the easiest path. Learning game is hard work and sucks. Getting surgery is a bit crazy. But making money and then spending that money on hot hookers, well that is definitely the easiest path of all 3 options.

CruiseControl wrote:No matter what anyone says, supplementing with supraphysiological doses of T is most likely going to shorten your lifespan considerably. There's a reason your body is not producing optimal amounts.

One of the most recent TRT-studies was cut short because old men on TRT kept dropping dead or getting heart attacks. That study was performed on 65+year old men with risk of heart disease though..

If you go on TRT you also have to monitor hemoglobin, hematocrit and blood pressure, quite a few guys experience issues in those departments


agreed, high-T may not be the best thing for a civilized society. And actually, low-T men are good for a civilized society. The problem is with women. Women never evolved past the caveman days and they still want the alpha male cock. So it is only natural that while most men will be low-T worker drones, the women will go for the small number of high-T men. The problem happens when men start dropping out and going on strike, which is happening much more than you think. Once enough men either get disenfrancised or drop out voluntarily from society and stop working, then society collapses.

If women were replaced with artificial wombs and Sex Robots, THEN a real utopia might be possible.

But yea, unless you're a loud mouthed douscebag type of man, you won't be getting girls in America. Americans are uncivilized barbarians, the women are all filthy whores, and they only want the negative-alpha types, the thugs and criminals.

Best to just keep your head down, work and make money and try to figure out a way to expat permanently from America. Once you leave America, your life improves dramatically, believe me.

Or you can just an hero.

delugar wrote:We can achieve all 3 of those. We can earn money. We can get surgery to improve our looks. We can learn game or better social skills.


There's no surgery to widen my frame or increase my skull size. Or more metaphorical: You just can't turn a Ford into a Ferrari.

delugar wrote:I don't understand why you guys are saying life is over at 25. Your youth is over, yes. But then you gradually begin to mature into an adult MAN, starting around age 28.


Nope. You decay into an old man. This process is the same in all mammals. Don't think as humans we are different!

delugar wrote:I also got a lot of regrets and wish I had been much wiser earlier on, but this is just the way it is. Men do not begin to reach their full maturity until at least age 28, according to Schopenhauer. Now that we have wisdom, we at least have the intelligence to learn how to game bitches.


Schopenhauer should be the mascot of sluthate. He was the ultimate incel.

I'm just saying, there are other options. If you can't get laid in America, or rather you don't want to change yourself into the type of low class shitbag that most American women want, then there are other options. You can bang prostitutes. You can take sex vacations to Southeast Asia.

Paying for escorts is pretty much THE best option. Marriage is a scam, you'll just get bored of having sex with the same woman after a year or so. Trying to pick up women requires that you change yourself into the low class sleazebag type of men that most women want.

If you're afraid of getting arrested for hiring a prostitute, then you can do one of two things. One, lobby for the legalization of prostitution. Or two, take a sex vacation to Bangkok twice a year.

delugar wrote:I'm just saying, there are other options. If you can't get laid in America, or rather you don't want to change yourself into the type of low class shitbag that most American women want, then there are other options. You can bang prostitutes. You can take sex vacations to Southeast Asia.


I'm German, not American. Life is still fucked up. It's the overall incel existence in contemporary Western societies. Countries like Germany, USA or Sweden only differ marginally. I agree on prostitution though. It's legal here in Germany and I've only fucked escorts for four years. It's a life saver.

Oh wait, spoke too soon. Turns out prostitution is legal in Nevada. Of course it will cost a fuckload more. Probably cost you 200 dollars at least for a bang, meanwhile in Thailand it is 20 dollars for a bang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostituti ... ted_States

Interesting, prostitution first became outlawed in the early 1900s in America for WHITE women only. So racism was used as the justification for it. Of course it was still legal for black women to be prostitutes. But for white women, it was illegal.

White women ARE the cause of all of this shit. White women also got alcohol banned in the 1920s.

White women are the root of pretty much all the evil in America.

Anakind wrote:
delugar wrote:I'm just saying, there are other options. If you can't get laid in America, or rather you don't want to change yourself into the type of low class shitbag that most American women want, then there are other options. You can bang prostitutes. You can take sex vacations to Southeast Asia.


I'm German, not American. Life is still fucked up. It's the overall incel existence in contemporary Western societies. Countries like Germany, USA or Sweden only differ marginally. I agree on prostitution though. It's legal here in Germany and I've only fucked escorts for four years. It's a life saver.


I got a friend who lives in Germany and he said it's an awesome country. It's much less of a police state than other western countries. He also talks about how awesome the prostitution scene is there, how they have huge brothels.

delugar wrote:I got a friend who lives in Germany and he said it's an awesome country. It's much less of a police state than other western countries. He also talks about how awesome the prostitution scene is there, how they have huge brothels.


I really hope this won't change. We have retarded feminist cunts like other Western nations who want to outlaw prostitution. Can you imagine how many incels would snap if it got outlawed?
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