The Redpill is totally useless for truly ugly guys

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Some dudes have ugly bones and there is nothing they can do about it. Ugly faces beyond the saving grace that is surgery. Bad hairlines atop their globular, oddly shaped neotenous skulls. Weirdly shaped small and narrow manlet body bones that are unussually difficult to fill out, and even then, just not vile to look at and still look average-small with clothes on top. These men just shout "poor genetics" like a Italian Tenor on full volume.

Shoe lifts can help guys that are 5'7, 5'8...even 5'9- 5'10, , but the moment you step out of them, if anybody notices, it could instantly destroy your frame. 5'6 or less guys should avoid shoe lifts all together.

You can't deny that an ugly guy who lifts, grooms and dresses will be treated better at socializing than an ugly guy who was out of shape/chubby and didn't groom properly. But it's all in vain. Try being the well-dressed, lean, acceptably-muscled manlet with bad bones here in London and just about every other major city or large/small town, you'll get laughed at and told to fuck off. If they're polite, they'll talk to you, laugh at your jokes, but the minute you escalate, watch them recoil in horror..... or at best friendzone you. (and this is for 5/10 females treating you this way, not 7's)

I think in this way "The Blackpill" is actually more accurate than "The Redpill". Looks are the most important thing to get chicks whom are passable (read: thin girls with average faces.... not necessarily hot). Game can help an average 5/10 guy who doesn't lift get girls on his level by learning dominance, lifting, diet and not showing neediness and weakness etc, but it can't get a lean, fit 2/10 > 3/10 looksmaxxed guy a 5/10 female.

The red pill is for guys who are acceptable looking enough before lifting but need help getting thin, passable girls

The black pill is for us uglies who's only option is gonna be whales at best. Lets be honest, very few men wants a sub 4 girl because they are fat/butch and unfuckable women. The black pill helps the ugly man who won't game/fuck whales accept a life of solitude and self acceptance. How to maximize well-being, social life improvement, and make the most of escorts, sex tourism and possibly exploring other cultures where being white skinned is more of a virtue.


We're not indestructible
Baby better get that straight
I think it's unbelievable
How you give into the hands of Chad
Some things are worth fighting for (but not your smelly cunt)

Some feelings never die
I'm not asking for another chance
I just wanna know why

There's no easy way out
There's no shortcut home
There's no easy way out
Giving up can't be wrong



Forget cosmetic surgery for cutting your losses with developed world females, it is not very effective.

Complicating matters further is a naive/intuitive observation that quality females who most resist trends in hyperselectivity are both rare, and transient (they are not on the market for very long) - thus, they tend to be more available when *young*, becoming increasingly rare in later age cohorts.

So, what we tend to be left with, are barely legal catches (available only for some men close to their age) , progressing towards older, hyperselective head-cases. So if you are in your 30s, or worse in your 40s, like myself, you have nothing to do).

And of course, the ubiquitous western female fug.

Since I don't fancy a used up female with kids head-case who's gone one too many turns on the carousel, or a fug, I would be remiss not to expand the parameters of my search (since I likewise don't invest much confidence in lotteries - chance happenings upon elusive special cases).

This is why I recommend experimenting with distant populations predominated by other cline variants (racial groupings) - where the forces of balancing selection provide opportunistic niches in the form of outgroup-seeking females, who will make greater allowances for the increased prospect of outbreeding enhancement.

(I have often wondered if someone on this forum has ever considerd indigenous African women - who can be very beautiful).

Not to mention many of these populations are in the developing world, and thus bring strong economic pressures to bear in limiting choices of local females.

And, to be frank, people like we need every edge they can get.

If you are genuinely interested, I can offer more insight.
Women seem wicked when you're unwanted

Game can help an average 5/10 guy who doesn't lift get girls on his level by learning dominance, lifting, diet and not showing neediness and weakness etc, but it can't get a lean, fit 2/10 > 3/10 looksmaxxed guy a 5/10 female.


The problem is that beta providing is the opposite of being dominant. Beta providing is submissive behavior. If you are paying for dates to win her over, then you are being the submissive one.

Game can help an average 5/10 guy who doesn't lift get girls on his level by learning dominance, lifting, diet and not showing neediness and weakness etc, but it can't get a lean, fit 2/10 > 3/10 looksmaxxed guy a 5/10 female.


PUAs commonly push the idea that if you show any neediness, you will turn off women sexually. But there is a problem with that idea. The problem is that the PUAs definition of "neediness" is different from the generally accepted definition of "neediness".

See the generally accepted definition of "neediness" straight from the horse's mouth.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Needy

Someone who wants your attention, they want you to show them affection and love all the time. It is not nescesarily a bad thing although it may become annoying, depending on how you look at things.


Requiring attention beyond what is normative.
Getting anxious when someone doesn't reply to you on MSN after 15 seconds is being needy.


To be needy is a guy who needs attention no matter what the cost. A person that dosen't have much confidence and will bug the living shit out of you just for a little attention. They are always suspicious, aggravating and generally become troublemakers.


If you analyse these definitions thoroughly, being "needy" repels people not necessarily because it turns people off sexually; it is mostly because being needy annoys people.

"Non-neediness" is similar to confidence. Women want non-needy men, not because they find non-neediness sexual appealing, but because non-needy men are less annoying. Women want confident men, but not because women find confidence sexually appealing, but because confident men are less needy and are more easily to be manipulated. (See: "Women want men to be delusionally confident")



3D Face Analysis wrote:because confident men are less needy and are more easily to be manipulated.


eh ?

KnightCavalier wrote:(I have often wondered if someone on this forum has ever considerd indigenous African women - who can be very beautiful).

Not to mention many of these populations are in the developing world, and thus bring strong economic pressures to bear in limiting choices of local females.



nope
you will not fit with an indigenous african woman, not with her culture, not with her family, the relationship you will get will be vicious/destructive and strictly commercial, where you bring the money then she open her legs, add the risks that she murders you to gain your resources,which is not very unusual for it to happen , start to watch ID discovery channel if you think this could be rare

same perspective with any other foreign woman which is not your culture, don't fit

The only possible solution for ugly or guys below average , I've tired of saying it :
get a women in your league in your social class around your age

other type of rare solutions for the loneliness are really dangerous

KnightCavalier wrote:Forget cosmetic surgery for cutting your losses with developed world females, it is not very effective.

Complicating matters further is a naive/intuitive observation that quality females who most resist trends in hyperselectivity are both rare, and transient (they are not on the market for very long) - thus, they tend to be more available when *young*, becoming increasingly rare in later age cohorts.

So, what we tend to be left with, are barely legal catches (available only for some men close to their age) , progressing towards older, hyperselective head-cases. So if you are in your 30s, or worse in your 40s, like myself, you have nothing to do).

And of course, the ubiquitous western female fug.

Since I don't fancy a used up female with kids head-case who's gone one too many turns on the carousel, or a fug, I would be remiss not to expand the parameters of my search (since I likewise don't invest much confidence in lotteries - chance happenings upon elusive special cases).

This is why I recommend experimenting with distant populations predominated by other cline variants (racial groupings) - where the forces of balancing selection provide opportunistic niches in the form of outgroup-seeking females, who will make greater allowances for the increased prospect of outbreeding enhancement.

(I have often wondered if someone on this forum has ever considerd indigenous African women - who can be very beautiful).

Not to mention many of these populations are in the developing world, and thus bring strong economic pressures to bear in limiting choices of local females.

And, to be frank, people like we need every edge they can get.

If you are genuinely interested, I can offer more insight.




Straight girls today have a racket, act like all men are the same, act like all women get treated the same, pretend men treat all women as sex objects, appropriate actual suffering and use one or two personal experiences as excuse for putting “all” men in their place.

It’s a racket because it isn’t true. Actual rapists aren’t punished, just creeps and weirdo's. Most of the guys in line are just feeding their egos, with no hope of connection or relationship. Simpers that are too repressed to think they are good enough for some 120lbs average girl, and magically become aroused by some slag100 pounds overweight.

If you’re not an 7/10, you’re a rube, a mark, a sucker for gassing up totally average women. For pretending all the anti-man propaganda is true. Just reveals the poverty of most men’s social systems.

MGTOW is productive if it wakes up betabux to how cucked they are.

Reality is many women benefit from pretty privilege, riding the coat tails. Don’t have to be attractive inside and out, just look and act like the girls who are. Most women don’t actually mind male aggression, as long as the dude is hot and exclusive. As long as the violence is consensual. What women mind is men who break their racket. Who treat them like they’re average, disposable.

Lol all the forever alones can keep chasing unreachable women, I just want to reclaim public spaces for single men.

“I get treated like a rapist no matter what I do.” That is emotional abuse and it warps young men.

Society pretends you can call boys predators/rapists every day of their lives, reward them individually for boundary pushing, and then not have male violence. It’s a crock of shit and I’m glad to see men identifying how a supposedly patriarchal system oppresses them continually while most straight women are safe in pretty privilege.



nope
you will not fit with an indigenous african woman, not with her culture, not with her family, the relationship you will get will be vicious/destructive and strictly commercial


And do you advocate staying in a gynocentric/feminist culture that exacerbates hyperselectivity and limits prospects for male prosperity?

Non sequitur. Migratory dispersion for mating is an evolutive stable strategy, as it was and will be in humans. Any male that has failed in its reproductive/sexual fitness within their natal population, and tending to recurrent philopatry, or they're maladapted to exploit a more open niche in other populations, are eliminated without mercy by sexual selection.

Many men have become accustomed to living in other cultures throughout the history of mankind, and migration to other geographical locations to find a partner will be a more used means from here in the future, once the ecological pressures in the more developed world become increasingly unsustainable.

where you bring the money then she open her legs, add the risks that she murders you to gain your resources,which is not very unusual for it to happen , start to watch ID discovery channel if you think this could be rare


Husband carries his work and parental investment, and there is no welfare state that guarantees a subsequent benefit for wifes without the male collaboration.

You have a strong monolithic western biases in your vision of human society. Furthermore in subsistence societies based on grazing there is no money to bring home, and where such qualities can say something meaningful about an expectation of either direct benefits (investment traits with implications for bi-parental advantage).

I have traveled in Africa and I have not known any man murdered by his indigenous wife (I do not know what ethnographic documentaries you have watched).

In small tribal societies the vast majority of women are paired off in arranged marriages, and their submissive and accepting mentality is far from being the psychopathic and criminal personality that you think it is. You should change the chip.

Any foreigner with a tempting dowry could hypothetically request a wedding with a unmated tribal woman. All marriages are arranged and a small brideprice is paid (typically one cow and two goats).

It is more likely that a client is killed by a whore when he goes to a brothel in a western country, or that a wealthy man is poisoned by a gold digger wife before a husband being killed by an indigenous wife in Africa.

same perspective with any other foreign woman which is not your culture, don't fit


Again bias of personal disbelief, based on obstinacy to preconceived prejudices and lack of heuristic availability!

Perhaps, if the males in redpill/blackpill community had the benefit of experiencing more such women, this site would have observed significantly less drama and sexual conflict over the years.

And to that end, I have come to appreciate on my trips that women who hail from ecomnomically depressed populations(Africa, latin America, SE Asia, etc) are quite more agreeable company.

This is because, the lack of economic prosperity has failed to provide selfish replicators (exemplified in the typical western, single-mother welfare cohort) with the same evolutionary advantages via a permissive welfare state dynamic.

And thus, such populations tend to produce females who are amenable to more traditional sex roles(while being critical of deviants).

It really is a contrast that must be experienced, to be fully appreciated.

The differential tendencies(between civility, and aloofness, cooperation, and selfishness, tact, and vulgarity, discretion, and wantonness, chastity, and promiscuity, etc.) really are profound in my estimation.

The only possible solution for ugly or guys below average , I've tired of saying it :
get a women in your league in your social class around your age

other type of rare solutions for the loneliness are really dangerous


Let us accept for a moment the hypothetical (and absurd) premise that one prefers to mate for all his life with a 3s or 4s western woman, for example, rather than with a beautiful busty Himba from Namibia or an gorgeous Ethiopian Hamar in Ethiopia. :wink: And let's forget for a moment temptation to spend the rest of your life with a beautiful wife, even several ones (polygyny is frequent).

Are you telling me that you advise, for example, to men 4s try to look for some receptive "4" female, search for a woman "5" if they are 5s themselves? and so on...Wtf! Where do you get this kinda homogamy piece of rubbish? :D

Your premise is spurious.

You completely ignore that male/female 'leagues' are fucking asymmetrical - with male 'rank' being bottom heavy in distribution, while female 'rank' being top heavy.

What does this imbalance mean in terms of the dating / mating market?

It means large populations of 4s/5s females being circulated between relatively small populations of 7s/8s, lending to short term mating, such that females tend to become neurologically adapted to short term gains (and likewise maladapted to LTRs.

The paradigm of this community is precisely the complaint that men can not even find women in their fucking league. So what planet have you been living on? :shock:

It is delirious! :lol:

If your problem with this exogamy idea is about a scale/hierarchy of priorities, where you prioritize an western accommodating lifestyle (keep enjoying your TV, internet connection, electricity, hot bath) with a lead eunuch-like life, while underestimating your sexual fitness, then I can understand it, and I get where the shots go.

But the leitmotiv/teleological sense of other men comes determined by their sexual /love/ fitness and everything that entails, so I do advise them to go outside. Especially for those who are tired of his mate-deprived lifestyle and do not have much to lose, since they are unemployed or have a shit job, (e.g. hikikomoris), existential emptiness, anguish, permanent depression, etc...

And whom the idea of spending the rest of their lives on a mate-deprived mode is unbearable and want to be happy with a decent woman. (i.e. There are many men who are tired of jerking off watching porn on a p.c, banging sexual dolls or plastic pussies, or at best paying hookers sometimes to feel the touch of a living woman (assuming they have a good job that allows them to do so).
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MGTOW is productive if it wakes up betabux to how cucked they are.


It is not plausible to assume that any significant population of males would evolve to voluntary 'mgtow'.

The reason why males don't visably complain about marginalization through female choice is for lack of a sympathetic audience (borne out of limiting dynamics in dimorhic sex), where they fear such complaint will only serve to validate their grievances in the form of social reproachment/punishment(which focuses selection pressure).

KnightCavalier wrote:It is more likely that a client is killed by a whore when he goes to a brothel in a western country, or that a wealthy man is poisoned by a gold digger wife before a husband being killed by



this is probably true, western gold diggers are surely more dangerous

anyways you will not fit with an indigenous wife in Africa,
in some countries in Africa you can purchase a young wife for a few cows, this not means this is better than getting a wife in your league in your land
think about the offspring you will get with such negras

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