LTRcels: How costly is having a GF (financially/$$$)?

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We all know that guys who aren't hot enough to make women drop the panties based on their looks alone have to compensate by using money and running LTR provider game. This isn't news and we've known this for a while. It's the natural behavior of all women to want to be provided for by her man. Reading this article got me thinking though:

http://www.primermagazine.com/2009/spen ... -you-broke

How much do you guys actually wind up spending? As we all know women's expectations are through the roof so you have to be on the top of your game by spending tons of money on her to "take care of her," or "make her feel feminine." If you don't, some other desperate beta chump will and word will get around that you're "cheap." IMO having a reputation of being cheap and not being able to provide for your girl is worse than having a small penis.

I literally see this behavior all around me everywhere with guys dropping hundreds on dinners, vacations (these are huge, how the fuck do normal dudes with college debt even pretend to afford the shit I see them doing?), gifts, cars and clothing to convey status(name brand clothing, BMWs, Audis, etc.), etc. How much have you guys who have GFs or have had GFs in the past spent on keeping them? As things stand there's no way I could ever hope to keep up with women's expectations while not fucking myself over unless I make like 20k more annually. Fucking LOL at feminism. It's all about "equality" until the check comes or the shit hits the fan. It's honestly cheaper just to see escorts. How do you guys manage it? Genuinely curious.
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bro u can run money game without being a LTR provider let me tell u

money and resources and status are actually far more effective tools in the control of woman than looks is or ever will be trust that

for starters u never give the bitch free access or let her be in charge.that's a big mistake that many men using this approach make

u should be a ice cold filthy pimp not some fucking chump getting taken to the cleaners by some greedy bitch

you tell her what she has to do for u in return and if she is ever deviating even a little bit or even just getting a foul attitude or disrespectful then you pull the rug out from under that bitch until she gets her fucking act together which she will if u actually have some sort of value especially once she's already hooked on u

ur a man and u run shit and u work hard and build things and u make sure that bitch knows that she better appreciate u or else she's out on her ass.girls will treat u about as good as expect them to

how much money ur spending depends on how much cash u got and how hot the chick is

start to view women as a business negotiation cause that's what it is

ur providing something for her but in return she belongs to u and she has gotta meet your expectations

if u got something she wants and shes got something u want then negotiate the best deal for urself and u can do business

The first time I ever had $1000 in my checking account was when my high school girlfriend went to China for a month with her parents and I workceled at a bookstore.

I was like, "How did I get all this money?" Astonishing how much relationships cost, even for adolescents.
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depends on your age.

13-17: in high school it wont cost you much during an ltr (small bullshit like gift here and movies)
18-21: college you'll be spending money on her more than you would in highschool (more expensive gifts, dinners, movies, alcohol)
21+: Your wallet is fucked at this point. You are expected once you get passed 21 to cover most of all her finances. Rent, trip, clothes, dinner, wedding if you get married, etc. At this pionts its not just your wallet that will be empty its your time and soul that will be.
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GENETIC SHIT wrote:depends on your age.

13-17: in high school it wont cost you much during an ltr (small bullshit like gift here and movies)
18-21: college you'll be spending money on her more than you would in highschool (more expensive gifts, dinners, movies, alcohol)
21+: Your wallet is fucked at this point. You are expected once you get passed 21 to cover most of all her finances. Rent, trip, clothes, dinner, wedding if you get married, etc. At this pionts its not just your wallet that will be empty its your time and soul that will be.


Lol is this from experience or some basement dwelling theory? I rarely spend ANY money on my girlfriend. We split EVERYTHING. If I buy her a meal or drink, she returns the favour the next time. If she wants to go somewhere and I don't, we don't. I've never boughten her clothes, dinner or trips just for the sake of it and she never expects me too (because I presented myself like this right from the beginning). The one time we got into a fight about buying something was when I laid it out on her and she never mentioned anything money-related again....she got seriously mad at me for jokingly saying I would never buy her a drink and I told her to "go date a rich guy and he'll fulfill all your needs." She never mentioned anything about it again.



cats wrote:The biggest cost though I would say is not even money, it's your time and energy.

Having a girlfriend is like a full time job. She will leave you exhausted and spend all your free time so you have no time to do anything productive. Your work and school performance will go down considerably, and your entire life will basically be put on hold while you're with her, in order to serve her needs instead of yours.


Amen. White womenz will constantly text you multiple times a day and try to get you to spend time with them. As an introvert this is the biggest turn off.

During 2009-2012, FOB college asians were the way to go .

Watmate wrote:
GENETIC SHIT wrote:depends on your age.

13-17: in high school it wont cost you much during an ltr (small bullshit like gift here and movies)
18-21: college you'll be spending money on her more than you would in highschool (more expensive gifts, dinners, movies, alcohol)
21+: Your wallet is fucked at this point. You are expected once you get passed 21 to cover most of all her finances. Rent, trip, clothes, dinner, wedding if you get married, etc. At this pionts its not just your wallet that will be empty its your time and soul that will be.


Lol is this from experience or some basement dwelling theory? I rarely spend ANY money on my girlfriend. We split EVERYTHING. If I buy her a meal or drink, she returns the favour the next time. If she wants to go somewhere and I don't, we don't. I've never boughten her clothes, dinner or trips just for the sake of it and she never expects me too (because I presented myself like this right from the beginning). The one time we got into a fight about buying something was when I laid it out on her and she never mentioned anything money-related again....she got seriously mad at me for jokingly saying I would never buy her a drink and I told her to "go date a rich guy and he'll fulfill all your needs." She never mentioned anything about it again.


That's the dream relationship right there. Thing is, most of these so called feminists who are about "equality" never actually walk the walk so for most men it dropping all kinds of money on the chick as if you don't some other chump will. We're not Chads, so we can't just string a girl along and have her buy us shit and do things that way. Most women have guys willing to pay for all kinds of expensive meals and trips so if you can't someone else will. It's fucking bullshit.

A bunch of incels over estimating how much keeping a woman around costs. It costs almost nothing unless you are willing to whiteknight pay for her, like the poster above me.

Women make enough for themselves nowadays, you ain't gonna woo no one with your 50k annually.

Also if you are not able to spend money on women, you deserve to be a forever alone incel if your looks aren't on par.
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Watmate wrote: I told her to "go date a rich guy and he'll fulfill all your needs." She never mentioned anything about it again.


very well answered

also when some girlfriend insisted me going to the cinema or certain joyrides ( stupid shit which I don't like)
I always said to them: go date an ugly guy or a fat guy because they have more patience than me

anyways
spending lot of money in girlfriends is retard and beta: even if you are rich,
wasting more than 30 U$ in your gf in 1 month= you are a beta cuck

I had a college study buddy of whom spent £500-£600 gbp in the first month of his relationship with his girlfriend.

That said; she was Chinese and it is an expectation/customary to splash out on gifts during courtship and to meet one another's families- to the point it is almost like an engagement.

A personal trainer allowed his girlfriend to have a controlling stake in his fitness business. This embarrassing revelation was exposed in a company check website.

I'd say stick with Escorts as yes, no word of a lie, they are cheaper than having a girlfriend.

The only exception to this rule is if you become a Kevin. That is leeching off a richer girlfriend who works whilst you sit at home on the PS4, only breaking gameplay to talk to her on her mobile during her lunch-time.

ITT we realise that men are exceptionally retarded and actually force themselves to spend on cunts.

animal lover wrote:ITT we realise that men are exceptionally retarded and actually force themselves to spend on cunts.

sadly this!

MyOwnSaviour wrote:I had a college study buddy of whom spent £500-£600 gbp in the first month of his relationship with his girlfriend.

That said; she was Chinese and it is an expectation/customary to splash out on gifts during courtship and to meet one another's families- to the point it is almost like an engagement.

A personal trainer allowed his girlfriend to have a controlling stake in his fitness business. This embarrassing revelation was exposed in a company check website.

I'd say stick with Escorts as yes, no word of a lie, they are cheaper than having a girlfriend.

The only exception to this rule is if you become a Kevin. That is leeching off a richer girlfriend who works whilst you sit at home on the PS4, only breaking gameplay to talk to her on her mobile during her lunch-time.


Please tell me the guy wasn't white.... lord sweet Jesus please tell me it wasn't a white guy being this beta.


Regarding the personal trainer: Giving a bitch personal stake in your business? Why!?!?

Fucking desperate white knight ass pussies man. I fucking swear.....

If you're not a bitch and can actually be a man and set some limits it shouldn't be much at all.

PuaKiller wrote:Please tell me the guy wasn't white.... lord sweet Jesus please tell me it wasn't a white guy being this beta.

Regarding the personal trainer: Giving a bitch personal stake in your business? Why!?!?

Fucking desperate white knight ass pussies man. I fucking swear.....


The guy dating the chinese girl was.........white British correct. He was nice enough but the reality was he hadn't gotten laid in 3-4 years of study and was still a virgin. Typical neutered, modern, mangina, WASP who idolised The Big Bang Theory and Paramore as a template for modern relationships.
He was a bit defensive that no-one found his girlfriend hot, because she really wasn't. :lol:

The fitness business owners decision is unclear. In some ways it makes sense at it was an inherited LTD company (in debt) he took over so if the business failed (in her name) he could put it in his name or take over the brand.
But I bet he was supplicating to win her favour.

When i had a girlfriend i never payed for shit lol. We always split it. You're dating the wrong girls or you're a beta cuckold who gets off on being used.
One of my friends is like this, complains about money issues and not having adult toys like cars, holidays, because hes always trapping himself into silly little relationships with whores and always ends up buying them clothes, meals, ect Sad and gay, i've called him out on it as well.
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BreakingBad wrote:When i had a girlfriend i never payed for shit lol. We always split it. You're dating the wrong girls or you're a beta cuckold who gets off on being used.
One of my friends is like this, complains about money issues and not having adult toys like cars, holidays, because hes always trapping himself into silly little relationships with whores and always ends up buying them clothes, meals, ect Sad and gay, i've called him out on it as well.


Most men are so desperate and are so afraid of being judged as not being a good provider (or worse being "cheap") that they'll blow all this money on cunts who don't even appreciate their efforts. 99% of cunts expect you to blow money on them without being special or earning it in anyway. They simply expect it because they've got a pussy.

When I lived with my girlfriend we split everything. It was much cheaper. Like a room mate with benefits.

spending money on pussy is not "beta" or "white knighting"

guys who r saying tht have very limited success w/ women i promise u tht

it's only "beta" when u give the girl free access and don't expect a fair return for wht u r providing

money used properly massively increases ur leverage control and dominance over women

also money used properly means u have to expend much less effort and energy into pussy

e.g. u dnt have to chase pussy anymore the pussy chases u instead and u dnt have to "game" girl anymore and convince her since ur money does alot of the talking for u

EvilBastard wrote:spending money on pussy is not "beta" or "white knighting"

guys who r saying tht have very limited success w/ women i promise u tht

it's only "beta" when u give the girl free access and don't expect a fair return for wht u r providing

money used properly massively increases ur leverage control and dominance over women

also money used properly means u have to expend much less effort and energy into pussy

e.g. u dnt have to chase pussy anymore the pussy chases u instead and u dnt have to "game" girl anymore and convince her since ur money does alot of the talking for u


What? We're talking about spending money when you're courting a girl and are in a relationship with her. We're not talking about being some Instagram superstar with a net worth in the millions blowing money like it's nothing. Your average guy will need to spend a lot of his money on women; keeping them happy, showing he's a good provider, etc. If he won't, another guy will. A relationship where things are more or less equal is ideal, but the modern female and her princess complex won't allow that.

see tht is a total scam in tht case

because it's giving the woman too much power

i am more talking about using money etc as a means to dominate and take charge of women

in other words u are dominant and in charge and she does wht u want or else she gets cut off and thrown out

it's not about "making her happy" or "living up to her standards"

it's about ur providing something and in exchange she is submissive to u and does wht u want to make u happy

she knows if she doesn't she gets punished or u cut her off completely

if u jst give her whatever she wants she will have 0 respect for u,won't give u jack shit in return,constantly act nasty towards u,never be satisfied,always complaining,ignore u alot,do things she knows u really dislike,etc

probably cheat on u eventually too

u have to have leverage first

then once u have leverage u have to enforce ur expectations on her

u must always be willing to walk away or else it won't work

if u want something u basically tell her that she's either going to do it or else it's over

women are like children

they won't act right on their own without a man requiring them to do so

u must demand respect

this is where most guys doing the "provider" thing fall short

they just give give give but never take

they never expect anything in return and are not willing to enforce their will and remove themselves if a girl does not meet their demands

instead they r jst passive aggressive and whine and complain and get angry but never actually punish the girl or give them an ultimatum of get ur shit together or else bye bye bitch

spending money on a girl or providing other things for her is not white knighting so long as ur getting a worthwhile return for ur investment and it's a fair deal and beneficial to u
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