My slayer friend, and the cruise we went on back in 1992.

Share your experiences with the opposite sex. Suggest ways to improve your success. Analyze the behavior of females in real life and online. Rant and rave about females. Show the importance of looks pertaining to attracting females and other social situations. Discuss aesthetics and the science of attractiveness. Exchange health, nutrition and looksmaxing tips.

Slut's Shame wrote:I think the perfect wingman for me would be black. We'd each bring something different to the table


If we lived in the same place I'd totally wingman with you. I need a wingman. It's necessary in order to go out and attempt to pick up girls.

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Slut's Shame wrote:I think, in spite of the prevailing mindset on this board, that it was something in and not on you that made these women repulsed.
Even if you're attractive, you will see the change in a girl's eyes if you have a disgusting level of anxiety

I've seen too many ugly guys, who I almost don't even realize are ugly because they act masculine and get laid


I am sorry mate, but you are talking out of your arse, and it sounds like you have been brainwashed by PUA quackery. Let me give you a good piece of advice, put down the game/PUA manuals, they will just confuse you.

When you are a good looking guy, women are going to give you such warm and inviting body language that even if you are shy or anxious, you would have to be a complete and utter social retard to fuck it up. A close incel friend of mine, is acquainted with a young John Travolta look alike, who is painfully shy, anxious, lacks confidence and is a generally a boring guy, now based on what you have claimed, this guy's behavior should turn women off right? WRONG, my incel friend personally witnessed THREE women hit on this John Travolta look alike, and now this same guy is now a father to a young child he had with a very attractive woman who hit on him at a party they met at.

You were NOT on this cruise, I was, so for you to suggest that it was not my ugly looks and race that repulsed women, is a gross insult to my intelligence. Even though I am hard core ugly incel, one thing I know how to do is read female body language (most socially intelligent men know how to, it's called being a mature adult), and when women turn their backs on me/or give me dirty looks,death stares even before I open my mouth, then my ugly looks and race is the fucking problem.

Get your facts straight, before you talk shit, it just makes you look stupid.



Legit Yoda. It's tough to really understand just how much women will let you get away with if you're attractive unless you see it firsthand or experience it yourself. A big tell that you mentioned earlier was how interested women will lead the conversation with you and actually make an effort. That's a big tell in the right setting.
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I can not imagine that any man would ever recover from the events recollected in the OP. It is the ultimate trauma. I'm now in my second year of my first relationship, but I have endured shit like Master Yoda did. I can feel the past haunting me, wearing down my sanity and destroying the relationship. It will be the end of it.

Thanks for your post, Yoda. I can totally relate to that experience - when you go out with a good looking guy it is soul crushing.

Have you read Michel Houellebecq? He is a cynic incel French writer, who basically laid out all red pill truths in nineties. He writes very well of psychological torture of being an incel. This is my favorite passage from his book: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54832

Genetic Outlier wrote:Thanks for your post, Yoda. I can totally relate to that experience - when you go out with a good looking guy it is soul crushing.

Have you read Michel Houellebecq? He is a cynic incel French writer, who basically laid out all red pill truths in nineties. He writes very well of psychological torture of being an incel. This is my favorite passage from his book: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54832


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Nordic wrote:I can not imagine that any man would ever recover from the events recollected in the OP. It is the ultimate trauma. I'm now in my second year of my first relationship, but I have endured shit like Master Yoda did. I can feel the past haunting me, wearing down my sanity and destroying the relationship. It will be the end of it.


Once again , my sincere apologies if my honest and candid account as to what happened to me on that cruise caused you, or anybody else here any distress/or brought back any bad memories, that was not my intention.

That said, I have no regrets going on the cruise, and there were aspects of it that I did enjoy. ie. the beautiful tropical beaches, friendly people of Fiji, Vanuatu etc, and the glorious weather. As for the rejection I copped, yes it was unpleasant, and it certainly destroyed what little self confidence I had, but at the same time, it was also a learning experience for me in the sense that it taught it me the superficial, shallow and hypergamous nature of women.

As for yourself, I am glad to hear you are in what appears to be a happy relationship, I wish you and your partner all the best.
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Genetic Outlier wrote:Thanks for your post, Yoda. I can totally relate to that experience - when you go out with a good looking guy it is soul crushing.

Have you read Michel Houellebecq? He is a cynic incel French writer, who basically laid out all red pill truths in nineties. He writes very well of psychological torture of being an incel. This is my favorite passage from his book: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54832


No problem, I am glad you liked my post, as depressing and sombre it may have sounded, it was a brutally honest and accurate account as to what happened.

I have not read the French writer you have mentioned, but when I looked at his Wikipedia biography, it did mention that Michael Houllebecq had been married once and had a son, so he is not totally incel, like me for example. I did read some of that passage you quoted, and I could relate to some of it, but I did not like how the incel depicted in the book was contemplating committing acts of violence against women, that's totally wrong.

Sure, I can totally understand and relate to the bitterness,anger, frustration and jealousy (all humans are jealous to some degree), and despair an incel man goes through, but there is no excuse for violence, if you can't get sex by conventional means ie. via a girlfriend or wife, just pay a hooker, that's what I have been doing my entire life, what else can you do?

This thread was a great read.

I've had my share of bad experiences with women over the years.

I cringe when I think of how I was played by women as a young unattractive man.

I remember one time around 20 yrs ago I met a young single mother through a phone dating site.
She was not in to me but saw that I could be of some use to her so she allowed me to hang around (beta orbiter).
One night I got a call from my "girlfriends" friend. She called to tell my my girl was fucking some guy in the apt right now.

I was furious and when I got to the apt and let myself in (I had a key) I caught them in the middle of a fuck session.
Chad was on top of my girl fucking away. I was so mad I wanted to throw them off the balcony of the 10th floor but instead just told Chad to fuck off before I kicked his teeth in. He left quickly.

It took me years to realize that the woman that called me to rat on my girlfriend only did it because she knew I could become violent and do some physical damage. This woman wanted Chad too and was pissed off he was fucking my "girlfriend" (lol) and not her so she manipulated me into doing her dirty work.



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