5 Things That destroyed The PUA Industry.

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Firstly, I would like to thank “all women are like that”, for pointing out the decline of the PUA industry re:The Google trends searches on PUA.

Below is a video that goes into great detail as to why the PUA industry is dying, and good riddance I say.


https://youtu.be/b0xhs1wC3MI
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I think that the pua industry is not destroyed at all
still survives
while some realize that it is all a scam, new customers arrive , and the cycle repeats

Fabie wrote:I think that the pua industry is not destroyed at all
still survives
while some realize that it is all a scam, new customers arrive , and the cycle repeats


As a puahate OG, you WISH pua was still a thing, but the facts say otherwise. Dead. Flatlined.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... %20artists

In fact all self-help went down the toilet after the 2009 recession. When the chips are down you see people's true form. NLP probably the most definable and traceable self-help term.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... rogramming

I will say though as women scramble to be the bread-makers its worrying that feminism and (female friendly) gyms are as popular as ever.
Rock those Gym Thot spandex leggings you feminist sluts.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... q=feminism
https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... o=US&q=gym

Oh and check out google trying to censor the redpill.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... &q=redpill

A drop off that steep was natural? Yeah right! Keep editing, censoring and blocking those search algorithms Google!



AllWomenAreLikeThat wrote:
Fabie wrote:I think that the pua industry is not destroyed at all
still survives
while some realize that it is all a scam, new customers arrive , and the cycle repeats


As a puahate OG, you WISH pua was still a thing, but the facts say otherwise. Dead. Flatlined.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... %20artists

In fact all self-help went down the toilet after the 2009 recession. When the chips are down you see people's true form. NLP probably the most definable and traceable self-help term.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... rogramming

I will say though as women scramble to be the bread-makers its worrying that feminism and (female friendly) gyms are as popular as ever.
Rock those Gym Thot spandex leggings you feminist sluts.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... q=feminism
https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... o=US&q=gym

Oh and check out google trying to censor the redpill.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... &q=redpill

A drop off that steep was natural? Yeah right! Keep editing, censoring and blocking those search algorithms Google!


thx for the links
please note that I don't believe in google stats very much
anyways is evident the PUA industry is flatlined/almost dead but still exists
this is like UFO /paranormal interest , which peaked in the 80s , flatlined now yet survive yet there are lot of morons believing in that

I agree with Fabie. Some PUAs did close their business but this same market niche continues to prosper being exploited by other tricksters (and is being distributed more widely by means of a tool like youtube that have more range of scope than traditional forums, blogs and websites).

Especially this is still valid in geographical areas where the phenomenon had not yet arrived. There is always a sufficient fraction of ignorant/gullible unsuccessfull guys who can be duped by these scammers.

On the other hand, I also do not see clearly the point that night clubs are dying. It might be a local dynamic affecting some cities in USA or UK. Where I live, nightclubs and pubs are more alive than ever. On saturday nights clubs are overcrowded (although it is true that the proportion of men: women is 75%/25%, but 10 or 20 years ago, there was also the same unbalanced ratio).

In addition: In my zone, online dating has not taken root among females. In my personal estimates,( it is certainly difficult to quantify), I would say that less than 10% of young women in my town have ever been in dating apps. (while 60-70% of the city's males have ever registered).
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KnightCavalier wrote:I agree with Fabie. Some PUAs did close their business but this same market niche continues to prosper being exploited by other tricksters (and is being distributed more widely by means of a tool like youtube that have more range of scope than traditional forums, blogs and websites).

Especially this is still valid in geographical areas where the phenomenon had not yet arrived. There is always a sufficient fraction of ignorant/gullible unsuccessfull guys who can be duped by these scammers.

On the other hand, I also do not see clearly the point that night clubs are dying. It might be a local dynamic affecting some cities in USA or UK. Where I live, nightclubs and pubs are more alive than ever. On saturday nights clubs are overcrowded (although it is true that the proportion of men: women is 75%/25%, but 10 or 20 years ago, there was also the same unbalanced ratio).

In addition: In my zone, online dating has not taken root among females. In my personal estimates,( it is certainly difficult to quantify), I would say that less than 10% of young women in my town have ever been in dating apps. (while 60-70% of the city's males have ever registered).


Both yourself and Fabie have made some good points.

My view on the PUA industry is this, obviously the PUA industry is not completely dead, as there are some PUA scammers that are still doing OK,like RSD,Kezia "She's not so Noble", but it's on the decline, and is nowhere near what it was back in the mid to late 2000's, in terms of popularity.

Of course with the prevailing hook up culture, there will always a niche market for the gullible incels/autitsts/ethnics who will fall for this PUA/dating coach scam, but with the declining economies of many western nations, there's not too many men, who can afford to drop 2 to $3K of discretionary income on some bullshit bootcamp. Also, more and more men are becoming red pilled/black pilled, and realise that attracting women is NOT a skill that can be taught.

As for dating sites and hook up apps ie.Tinder, they are all sausage fests. With nightclubs, they will be popular with women who want to dance and socialise with their friends, but the days of men picking up women from bars and clubs are over, thanks to Tinder.



Master Yoda wrote:,Kezia "She's not so Noble", but it's on the decline, .


Kezia noble is not so noble but is a noble slut :lol:

The blackpilled tinder experiments did damage, because now we can easily see that only looks matter, not personality or running game or any of that bullshit, unless you're some type of drug dealing thug, which women love, personality doesn't matter, there are even Chad soyboys, there are alt right Chads, only LMS matters to women. But bad boy Chad> nice guy Chad, but an incel can never pull of bad boy game, too ugly to be taken seriously, unless black, or too autistic.
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That video hits a lot of the key points, but it goes deeper than that.

Even if there hadn't been changes in technology and the economy, yada yada, PUA would still be declining. It only reached the heights of success that it did because it was a novelty. There wasn't a long history of embarrassments and failures and criticism for people to google in 2005. Some, yes, but few enough that they could be written off as being the few disgruntled losers that you find in any movement or industry.

PUA might have been able to evolve and adapt over the years, except that its very nature limits that possibility. PUA (as a mass movement) only seems able to exist in a guru/cult paradigm. Their followers are brainwashed into rationalizing away all the negatives. I saw this on a David DeAngelo forum. There were videos posted that showed DD (in his new role as business guru) admitting on camera that his "Double Your Dating" material used massive amounts of sneaky manipulation to get students hooked. The fanboys' response? Basically, "So what? The material works, so why does it matter how he goes about finding an audience for it?". Then when DD married an average looking (being generous here) woman and basically became her bitch, the fanboys concluded that DD was so advanced that he had transcended to a higher level where women's looks didn't matter to him anymore.

The guru/cult thing is so much harder to sell now, because of the long history. In 2004, you could get hundreds of thousands of guys hooked, because you were in the vanguard of this amazing new movement that was discovering how to turn ordinary guys into gods of sexual conquest. Sure, there was some messy shaking out to do, but it was all in the name of improvement and moving on to even greater heights. Kind of like the hippies in the late 60's.

PUA now is like those same hippies in 1980. Yeah, maybe they have some fun once in a while, but everyone knows that there's no revolution coming, and to be honest they seem kinda pathetic. Also, the pool of potential customers is different now. The early PUA target market was Gen X (I'm one myself). Gen X didn't have as much automatic skepticism as millennials do. And more importantly, sex isn't as big a deal to millennials. Gen Xers grew up in an era when sex had a lot more mystique, which led to it seeming like the be-all, end-all of life. Now sex has been discussed to death in the media and in pop culture, and to a typical millennial male, it doesn't feel like something to devote your life to acquiring.

I think something like PUA could still exist as a legitimate product, but it would have to be a niche thing and not a mass marketed thing. The customers would have to have money to spend on the service, but not for "bootcamps". It would be personally tailored advice about lifestyle and social skills and building confidence. It would be a slog of hard work without immediate payoff. There would be no ridiculous claims that any guy could become a superstar with a harem of Victoria's Secret models. The instructors would have to level with the students that every guy has a ceiling, and they might be disappointed with that ceiling. But I'm not sure if there is enough of a market of guys willing to accept realism and tough love over over-the-top marketing, to make it worthwhile for the kind of men who could actually provide the service.

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