Man asks out thousands of women and doesnt get a single date

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The fact is, and no dungeon dweller would know this, that a person is a lot more than looks and looks are only a part that go into how people treat you
If you want to go into God/nature/evolution, that is something largely unconscious. Humans are the conscious factor, steering our corner of the universe into what ever direction we see fits us, not every human obviously, but every human can learn to dictate his environment and saying game isn't real is saying human manipulation isn't real. If you think that, then talk to a salesman

Gym membership would go into looksmaxing, which should be a given though everyone knows that alone won't get you laid. And I obviously don't mean pickup lines, for most of us I mean learning to be a person first, learning to be a cool person second then learning to get what you want from there

By how Owen talks about things, not his voice which alone would honestly have me thinking he's homosexual



Slut's Shame wrote:The fact is, and no dungeon dweller would know this, that a person is a lot more than looks and looks are only a part that go into how people treat you
If you want to go into God/nature/evolution, that is something largely unconscious. Humans are the conscious factor, steering our corner of the universe into what ever direction we see fits us, not every human obviously, but every human can learn to dictate his environment and saying game isn't real is saying human manipulation isn't real. If you think that, then talk to a salesman

Gym membership would go into looksmaxing, which should be a given though everyone knows that alone won't get you laid. And I obviously don't mean pickup lines, for most of us I mean learning to be a person first, learning to be a cool person second then learning to get what you want from there

By how Owen talks about things, not his voice which alone would honestly have me thinking he's homosexual


Looks are the first thing women evaluate in regards to seeing what potential you have to her, if you don't look good enough, your personality doesn't mean shit to her. Unless you have extremely poor social skills and an awkward personality, women will still want to fuck you regardless of how your "personality" is.

Slut's Shame wrote:I think game is real because there's a way to act that will increase your chance of getting laid
The results of a mildly deformed person with inhaman mannerisms and no social awareness don't apply to me or the great majority of people



There is NO way you can act to have a woman preselect you, the looks are the foundation. If you have good manners but are ugly or an ethnic, it'll make no difference if your well mannered or not.

That guy is UGLY, but as mentioned he's taken the pua pill 100%.

Never underestimate how sexually forward women can be if they're into. They may not outright approach, but at the very least if they're interested they will put themselves close to you in a physical position for you to open them easily. If you have to try too hard, you've lost. It's crucial the girl is into you more than you're into her in the initial interaction. Anything less will eventually lead to failure.
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PuaKiller wrote:That guy is UGLY, but as mentioned he's taken the pua pill 100%.

Never underestimate how sexually forward women can be if they're into. They may not outright approach, but at the very least if they're interested they will put themselves close to you in a physical position for you to open them easily. If you have to try too hard, you've lost. It's crucial the girl is into you more than you're into her in the initial interaction. Anything less will eventually lead to failure.

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Amen.

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This is what happens whenever I approach women.
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Crazywhiteboy wrote:
Slut's Shame wrote:I think game is real because there's a way to act that will increase your chance of getting laid
The results of a mildly deformed person with inhaman mannerisms and no social awareness don't apply to me or the great majority of people



There is NO way you can act to have a woman preselect you, the looks are the foundation. If you have good manners but are ugly or an ethnic, it'll make no difference if your well mannered or not.

+1
Exactly, and this is where PUA has absolutely no credibility (not that PUA has had any credibility to begin with), and that is you cannot teach PRESELECTION. Women PRESELECT the men they want, and in most cases this is based on the genetics and race the said man was born with, something that is completely out of your control.

Pick up is not the only way to get a date. A friend of mine used to look miserable and with million problems to tell his girls. They get sympathetic and end up in bed together :)



Slut's Shame wrote:The fact is, and no dungeon dweller would know this, that a person is a lot more than looks and looks are only a part that go into how people treat you
If you want to go into God/nature/evolution, that is something largely unconscious. Humans are the conscious factor, steering our corner of the universe into what ever direction we see fits us, not every human obviously, but every human can learn to dictate his environment and saying game isn't real is saying human manipulation isn't real. If you think that, then talk to a salesman

Gym membership would go into looksmaxing, which should be a given though everyone knows that alone won't get you laid. And I obviously don't mean pickup lines, for most of us I mean learning to be a person first, learning to be a cool person second then learning to get what you want from there

By how Owen talks about things, not his voice which alone would honestly have me thinking he's homosexual


sure.

how about i get your 6/10 face and you get my 4/10 face + 10/10 manipulation and environment dictating skills. i'll throw in $100,000 and a hot car.
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"All you gotta do is work out a little bit, have good hygiene, have confidence, and be yourself and girls will talk to you".

The reason they give you bullshit advice like this is because they're scared if you learn the truth you might become a danger to yourself and others.
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Slut's Shame wrote:The fact is, and no dungeon dweller would know this, that a person is a lot more than looks and looks are only a part that go into how people treat you
If you want to go into God/nature/evolution, that is something largely unconscious. Humans are the conscious factor, steering our corner of the universe into what ever direction we see fits us, not every human obviously, but every human can learn to dictate his environment and saying game isn't real is saying human manipulation isn't real. If you think that, then talk to a salesman

Gym membership would go into looksmaxing, which should be a given though everyone knows that alone won't get you laid. And I obviously don't mean pickup lines, for most of us I mean learning to be a person first, learning to be a cool person second then learning to get what you want from there

By how Owen talks about things, not his voice which alone would honestly have me thinking he's homosexual

Its 10 monts old but still,... Women want good hunters (most usable "metaphore) tall, big frame, wide shoulders, athletic with enough muscles, high position in a group and ability to be a leader, lots of resources..... PERIOD. Game matters of course..of course!!! But, when it comes to attraction its like 10% max..MAX. When it comes to closing the deal and getting mildly interested girl- YEA. Fuck it even matters to not fuck it up when she is intersted, but just not incredibly horny and cynical. Problem is- MAIN sticking point for WAST majority of men- is attraction!

Petarosus18 good of you to bring up the 'high position in a group and ability to be a leader' thing. I think in the manosphere in general the role a man's status plays in defining his level of attractiveness is very downplayed. This is partly because men always hope they will get girls if they just 'looksmatch' even if they are shyboys with minimum wage jobs, and partly because we talk about women in general, but mostly we refer to college-age girls who are all about flings, and therefore looks. But for other women, a man's status is extremely important. To the point that a really powerful man could be forgiven a few physical deformities.

Sounds to me like he wasn't confident enough. Girls are super attracted to confidence. If you don't have confidence girls can sense it!

Master Yoda wrote:
Crazywhiteboy wrote:

There is NO way you can act to have a woman preselect you, the looks are the foundation. If you have good manners but are ugly or an ethnic, it'll make no difference if your well mannered or not.

+1
Exactly, and this is where PUA has absolutely no credibility (not that PUA has had any credibility to begin with), and that is you cannot teach PRESELECTION. Women PRESELECT the men they want, and in most cases this is based on the genetics and race the said man was born with, something that is completely out of your control.



ugly men make a shit load of money then hire these cunts for sex. its the only way

This guy could actually slay average ethniks off tinder and supplement that with Escortcel.

The thing is cold approach is the worst way to meet women

Propinquity>tinder>Club game>Cold approach
Only attractive girls can truly judge when a guy is actually attractive.

Icecutter101 wrote:
mvp wrote:if you have to ask girls out, you already lost, thats why it will never work. it only works, if you are already popular with girls, in that case you dont even need to approach.
if they dont come to you, while you just stay there, saying/doing absolutely nothing, i have bad news for you oxygen waster

nope

women don't approach, only exception being if the guy is very good looking and the approaching woman is ugly


That isn't true at all

Tall Tan and ugly wrote:This guy could actually slay average ethniks off tinder and supplement that with Escortcel.

The thing is cold approach is the worst way to meet women

Propinquity>tinder>Club game>Cold approach


More like:

Propinquity>>>>>>Club game>Cold approach>>>>>>Tinder

At least that's how it is for sub 5s. You're out of your mind if you think there is even a single girl on the planet that would meet up with a 3/10 guy from Tinder when she could just do a couple more swipes and get a real 6'4 Chad hunk.
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RodgerRabbit wrote:Trying to fix yourself is literally a race against the clock. It's a catch 22. By the time you've fixed all the flaws that prevented you from slaying, you will have lost the one thing most essential to slaying in the first place -- youth.
NewGenious119 wrote:This idea that nobody owes anyone anything completely goes against the entire point of even having a society in the first place. If society doesn't owe an individual person anything, then the individual owes society nothing either, so don't be surprised when they take their frustration out on the world.

There is absolutely NO GOOD reason why, in the 21st century, every person shouldn't have their basic needs met. That means food, shelter, clothing, and transportation for all and, yes, if you are a male, sexual access to attractive females as that is considered a basic need for men as well.
Leebyunghun wrote:The number one source of strife in human existence is the inequality of looks among the male species.
germanDream wrote:a woman would fuck a cute dog or horse over an average faced man ANY day of the week. its not even close. women are repulsed by non male model men
PuaKiller wrote:Most women couldn't last a month as an incel male. They'd suicide. Prostitution would be legal worldwide and virgin shaming would cease if women were put in the shoes of an incel male for even a month. They couldn't handle it.
firehaze wrote:If a girl has never made it obvious that she likes you then you're a lot more subhuman than you think.



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The Messiah wrote:Sounds to me like he wasn't confident enough. Girls are super attracted to confidence. If you don't have confidence girls can sense it!


Yeah, just be "confident", that's right ugly incels don't have enough "confidence", that's why women reject them, not because of their shitty genes (sarcasm intended).

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Jelqing wrote:
Master Yoda wrote:+1
Exactly, and this is where PUA has absolutely no credibility (not that PUA has had any credibility to begin with), and that is you cannot teach PRESELECTION. Women PRESELECT the men they want, and in most cases this is based on the genetics and race the said man was born with, something that is completely out of your control.



ugly men make a shit load of money then hire these cunts for sex. its the only way


+1

mrz wrote:
Icecutter101 wrote:women don't approach, only exception being if the guy is very good looking and the approaching woman is ugly

That isn't true at all


Exactly. I have seen absolute model looking chicks FIGHT with each other just to have a chance to go talking to a chad. They were scratching each other's eyes out to COLD-APPROACH him first. And he's a friend of mine. He's the definition of "loser". It's looks... only looks... If you don't have that, a woman will never really desire you.

It's just that this is so far out of our reality that we can't believe it. You have so see this guy his Tinder account.
This tinder conversations look like this:
Chick: "hey, can you send me a picture of you without t-shirt?".
My friend: (sends picture).
Chick: "what's your address? I can come right now."
And that's just it... And you know what really freaks me out? The girls don't want relationships. They ONLY want one-night-stands with him. Lots of these chicks have boyfriends. He tells me the craziest stories. You just can not trust a woman after seeing this any more.

Oh... and confidence?... forget it! This guy can't even go talk to a chick when he's drunk. The chicks cold-approach him, and he's so insecure that he blows it most of the time. But he gets cold approached nonstop, and a girl accidentally ends up in his bed.

PUA is the most ridiculous thing ever. Real "players" and ladiesmen have ZERO skills with woman.
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If you're good looking or even average looking you'll occasionally run into a girl who walks up to you and says "hi my friend thinks you're cute can I have your number?"

God I wish I was white.
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The Messiah wrote:God I wish I was white.

I think blacks (the jamaica bob-marley types) are the most successful with chicks. At least in Europe...

Cynic4life wrote:
mrz wrote:That isn't true at all


Exactly. I have seen absolute model looking chicks FIGHT with each other just to have a chance to go talking to a chad. They were scratching each other's eyes out to COLD-APPROACH him first. And he's a friend of mine. He's the definition of "loser". It's looks... only looks... If you don't have that, a woman will never really desire you.

It's just that this is so far out of our reality that we can't believe it. You have so see this guy his Tinder account.
This tinder conversations look like this:
Chick: "hey, can you send me a picture of you without t-shirt?".
My friend: (sends picture).
Chick: "what's your address? I can come right now."
And that's just it... And you know what really freaks me out? The girls don't want relationships. They ONLY want one-night-stands with him. Lots of these chicks have boyfriends. He tells me the craziest stories. You just can not trust a woman after seeing this any more.

Oh... and confidence?... forget it! This guy can't even go talk to a chick when he's drunk. The chicks cold-approach him, and he's so insecure that he blows it most of the time. But he gets cold approached nonstop, and a girl accidentally ends up in his bed.

PUA is the most ridiculous thing ever. Real "players" and ladiesmen have ZERO skills with woman.


I hear about this all the time but I've never actually seen this on a night out with my own eyes. I think it might just be that not many good looking men go out where I'm at. I may also have been underestimating what it really takes to be a Chad.

Cynic4life wrote:
mrz wrote:That isn't true at all


Exactly. I have seen absolute model looking chicks FIGHT with each other just to have a chance to go talking to a chad. They were scratching each other's eyes out to COLD-APPROACH him first. And he's a friend of mine. He's the definition of "loser". It's looks... only looks... If you don't have that, a woman will never really desire you.

It's just that this is so far out of our reality that we can't believe it. You have so see this guy his Tinder account.
This tinder conversations look like this:
Chick: "hey, can you send me a picture of you without t-shirt?".
My friend: (sends picture).
Chick: "what's your address? I can come right now."
And that's just it... And you know what really freaks me out? The girls don't want relationships. They ONLY want one-night-stands with him. Lots of these chicks have boyfriends. He tells me the craziest stories. You just can not trust a woman after seeing this any more.

Oh... and confidence?... forget it! This guy can't even go talk to a chick when he's drunk. The chicks cold-approach him, and he's so insecure that he blows it most of the time. But he gets cold approached nonstop, and a girl accidentally ends up in his bed.

PUA is the most ridiculous thing ever. Real "players" and ladiesmen have ZERO skills with woman.


Brutal redpill. Damn.

PuaKiller wrote:
Cynic4life wrote:
Exactly. I have seen absolute model looking chicks FIGHT with each other just to have a chance to go talking to a chad. They were scratching each other's eyes out to COLD-APPROACH him first. And he's a friend of mine. He's the definition of "loser". It's looks... only looks... If you don't have that, a woman will never really desire you.

It's just that this is so far out of our reality that we can't believe it. You have so see this guy his Tinder account.
This tinder conversations look like this:
Chick: "hey, can you send me a picture of you without t-shirt?".
My friend: (sends picture).
Chick: "what's your address? I can come right now."
And that's just it... And you know what really freaks me out? The girls don't want relationships. They ONLY want one-night-stands with him. Lots of these chicks have boyfriends. He tells me the craziest stories. You just can not trust a woman after seeing this any more.

Oh... and confidence?... forget it! This guy can't even go talk to a chick when he's drunk. The chicks cold-approach him, and he's so insecure that he blows it most of the time. But he gets cold approached nonstop, and a girl accidentally ends up in his bed.

PUA is the most ridiculous thing ever. Real "players" and ladiesmen have ZERO skills with woman.


I hear about this all the time but I've never actually seen this on a night out with my own eyes. I think it might just be that not many good looking men go out where I'm at. I may also have been underestimating what it really takes to be a Chad.


Loooooooooooooool retards. The fact that the girls were fighting, does it tell you something? Spastic humans want what they can't have. The girls were fighting over him, not 100% for HIM, but to be the alpha bitch. If that guy actually went with one of the bitches it would not work out BELIEVE ME.

The guy had the status of girl A wanting him to girl B, and girl B to girl A etc. Non? Again, status is also key theory backed up.
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Anders wrote:The guy had the status of girl A wanting him to girl B, and girl B to girl A etc. Non? Again, status is also key theory backed up.

Sure but some bitch has to want you in the first place.
Once you have taken the red pill there is no way back.

Anders wrote:The girls were fighting over him, not 100% for HIM, but to be the alpha bitch. If that guy actually went with one of the bitches it would not work out BELIEVE ME.


That's what I mean, you cannot relate to this. The girls are more than willing to go with him, and if HE does not blow it up, they follow him to his bedroom. His low perception of himself is the greatest barrier.

Difficult to explain, I'm just trying to give some perspective here. I'm also ugly so my heart breaks every time I see this. But it's a necessity to swallow the black pill. For these chicks I am just invisible, and you cannot rent escorts like this.
But on the other side, like I told you guys, this guy is a wreck in every other field of his life. I don't even know if I would want to trade.
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